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	<title>Comments on: Petition: Don&#8217;t change the game to Alliances of Messed up Changes</title>
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		<title>By: Iluros</title>
		<link>http://www.orkfia-portal.com/20091220/petition/#comment-949</link>
		<dc:creator>Iluros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 23:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you&#039;re wrong in any case.

I&#039;ve already listed the reasons why I believe that these changes will be an improvement to the game. You may not agree, but then, you&#039;ve never made an actual argument against the changes themselves. Only the vague complaints against complexity and your usual intellectual dishonesty.

If it were the case that anyone tried to appeal to logic and reason in this &#039;petition,&#039; I might be inclined to listen. But instead there&#039;s emotional overreaction. Dev has given you its reasoning and you respond by accusations of me having plots of revenge. The only person to come even close to making a valid criticism is Acwder, and those are flimsy at best.

So, I really don&#039;t see this whole behavior as being constructive to Orkfia at all. Especially the part where you attack members of Dev personally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you&#8217;re wrong in any case.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve already listed the reasons why I believe that these changes will be an improvement to the game. You may not agree, but then, you&#8217;ve never made an actual argument against the changes themselves. Only the vague complaints against complexity and your usual intellectual dishonesty.</p>
<p>If it were the case that anyone tried to appeal to logic and reason in this &#8216;petition,&#8217; I might be inclined to listen. But instead there&#8217;s emotional overreaction. Dev has given you its reasoning and you respond by accusations of me having plots of revenge. The only person to come even close to making a valid criticism is Acwder, and those are flimsy at best.</p>
<p>So, I really don&#8217;t see this whole behavior as being constructive to Orkfia at all. Especially the part where you attack members of Dev personally.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamzii</title>
		<link>http://www.orkfia-portal.com/20091220/petition/#comment-948</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamzii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right - I was being polite. 

Although I didn&#039;t first think of the revenge-theory, when I heard it it made sense to me and I do believe this is part of your previous alliance&#039;s vendetta against Orkfia.. logic dictates it must be as when you eliminate all other reasons for the changes in the past few months (improvement, desire in the community) the only thing left is you must be mad.

Hope that makes you feel better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right &#8211; I was being polite. </p>
<p>Although I didn&#8217;t first think of the revenge-theory, when I heard it it made sense to me and I do believe this is part of your previous alliance&#8217;s vendetta against Orkfia.. logic dictates it must be as when you eliminate all other reasons for the changes in the past few months (improvement, desire in the community) the only thing left is you must be mad.</p>
<p>Hope that makes you feel better.</p>
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		<title>By: Iluros</title>
		<link>http://www.orkfia-portal.com/20091220/petition/#comment-947</link>
		<dc:creator>Iluros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 01:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main premise of your argument against toughness, that it&#039;s supposed to &#039;stop&#039; harassment, is wrong.

We&#039;re counting on the fact that players will continue to harass other players, counting on the fact that people will still choose targets who are less dangerous for their fame and land.

Harassment will continue, but it won&#039;t be one-sided anymore. Those who get harassed will get something out of it, making the harassment itself less devastating. And when that&#039;s the case, they&#039;ll no longer be compelled to quit.

It&#039;s true that industry will tend to favor larger tribes. But this itself will not make the top alliances harder to kill. Growing too often will mean taking toughness losses, making the top alliance overall *more* vulnerable, not less. And while the population bonus from fame now almost completely favors attackers (because the attacker&#039;s means of growth is directly tied to fame gain, unlike explorers), industry will favor explorers (attackers will still have access to it, but will gain it more slowly).

It&#039;s easy for people to say that these changes are just &#039;ideas that entered dev&#039;s mind&#039; without the context of what they are meant to address. The fact is, they do solve two of the most serious problems that are present in the game currently. They have been thought out, contrary to suggestions otherwise, and it&#039;s really pretty petty to make such suggestions.

But this was my favorite:
&quot;I have even heard a theory that perhaps this is Iluros’s continuation of a campaign he had against AatW when his alliance quit and this is the revenge – to sabotage what is left for the rest of us. I don’t believe this is true but I can see why people may think that.&quot;

This is a classic propaganda technique for attacking a person&#039;s character while making yourself look innocent. The simple thing about this Jamzi is, if you don&#039;t believe it, why mention it at all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main premise of your argument against toughness, that it&#8217;s supposed to &#8216;stop&#8217; harassment, is wrong.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re counting on the fact that players will continue to harass other players, counting on the fact that people will still choose targets who are less dangerous for their fame and land.</p>
<p>Harassment will continue, but it won&#8217;t be one-sided anymore. Those who get harassed will get something out of it, making the harassment itself less devastating. And when that&#8217;s the case, they&#8217;ll no longer be compelled to quit.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that industry will tend to favor larger tribes. But this itself will not make the top alliances harder to kill. Growing too often will mean taking toughness losses, making the top alliance overall *more* vulnerable, not less. And while the population bonus from fame now almost completely favors attackers (because the attacker&#8217;s means of growth is directly tied to fame gain, unlike explorers), industry will favor explorers (attackers will still have access to it, but will gain it more slowly).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy for people to say that these changes are just &#8216;ideas that entered dev&#8217;s mind&#8217; without the context of what they are meant to address. The fact is, they do solve two of the most serious problems that are present in the game currently. They have been thought out, contrary to suggestions otherwise, and it&#8217;s really pretty petty to make such suggestions.</p>
<p>But this was my favorite:<br />
&#8220;I have even heard a theory that perhaps this is Iluros’s continuation of a campaign he had against AatW when his alliance quit and this is the revenge – to sabotage what is left for the rest of us. I don’t believe this is true but I can see why people may think that.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is a classic propaganda technique for attacking a person&#8217;s character while making yourself look innocent. The simple thing about this Jamzi is, if you don&#8217;t believe it, why mention it at all?</p>
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		<title>By: Cecil</title>
		<link>http://www.orkfia-portal.com/20091220/petition/#comment-946</link>
		<dc:creator>Cecil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>changes are once again too drastic and as repeatedly stated by many other too complicated for the casual player to understand quickly

want to sign petition but see no button to press</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>changes are once again too drastic and as repeatedly stated by many other too complicated for the casual player to understand quickly</p>
<p>want to sign petition but see no button to press</p>
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		<title>By: Bolle</title>
		<link>http://www.orkfia-portal.com/20091220/petition/#comment-945</link>
		<dc:creator>Bolle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh I forgot to add I&#039;m against pulling heritage into the toughness etc thingy, it ought to be kept out ^^</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I forgot to add I&#8217;m against pulling heritage into the toughness etc thingy, it ought to be kept out ^^</p>
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		<title>By: Bolle</title>
		<link>http://www.orkfia-portal.com/20091220/petition/#comment-944</link>
		<dc:creator>Bolle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pfff...

the changes are neat though they oughtn&#039;t be implemented yet.. still a lot of stuff to balance, simplify things, and it&#039;s all perfect.

Anyway, you ought to make a petition on attackers. Listen to Darkwing!

Petition not signed, cause I don&#039;t see a lost sense of direction and many reasons ;) The question is if the reasons apply at the changes sufficiently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pfff&#8230;</p>
<p>the changes are neat though they oughtn&#8217;t be implemented yet.. still a lot of stuff to balance, simplify things, and it&#8217;s all perfect.</p>
<p>Anyway, you ought to make a petition on attackers. Listen to Darkwing!</p>
<p>Petition not signed, cause I don&#8217;t see a lost sense of direction and many reasons <img src='http://www.orkfia-portal.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  The question is if the reasons apply at the changes sufficiently.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonic</title>
		<link>http://www.orkfia-portal.com/20091220/petition/#comment-943</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im not liking the look of these new changes at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im not liking the look of these new changes at all.</p>
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		<title>By: robokop</title>
		<link>http://www.orkfia-portal.com/20091220/petition/#comment-942</link>
		<dc:creator>robokop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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